Hi,
Perhaps this topic should be under General Free Energy Discussion , but there are a lot of topics there, so I decided to
place it here. If there are objections , I'll ask for placement under General Free Energy Discussions.
I've searched in google :
"Do Lorentz force obey newton 3 rd law"
I've found the following :
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(Google Ai):
No, the Lorentz force does not directly obey Newton's third law when considering just the forces between two moving charged particles, as this leads to a violation of the law in some reference frames. This violation occurs because the electromagnetic field itself must be considered as a participant in the interaction, and forces are exerted on the field in addition to the forces on the particles. In a relativistic framework, momentum conservation is restored by accounting for the momentum stored and exchanged within the electromagnetic field, which ensures the overall system obeys the laws of physics.
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https://arxiv.org/pdf/1707.04198
2 Apparent Violation of the Third Law
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The Lorentz forces exerted by freely moving charges upon one another are not equal and opposite because the Lorentz force does not obey Newton's third principle, contrary to the Ampère force, which follows this principle. As a result, a pair of charged particles in relative motion can change its state of motion without external help. We review past experiments that show this effect
https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.1139/p95-090
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...8598000197
These two force laws are different since the Ampère force follows Newton's third law, whereas the Lorentz force does not. It is well-known that Newton's third law can be used to classify systems as closed or opened, depending on whether a force law follows or not Newton's third law. But the two laws are not equivalent even when they are used for closed systems [28].
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Perhaps there are other examples/good articles
about the topic
Can I ask if anyone is intersted to explain in English for sure do Violation exist or Not?
I am not a scientist, I dont understant 90 percent of the texts,
so will be glad if someone explains it .
Thank you.
Attached Chat.pdf is from Microsoft Copilot (Chat GPT 5/Smart, not quick explanation)
Also if convenient :
Do you think the swing from the picture will rotate ?
https://i.imgur.com/lnjqz1w.jpeg
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Also question to google AI:
Do electromagnetic wave has mass
No, electromagnetic waves, such as light, radio waves, and X-rays, do not have mass because they are composed of photons, which are massless particles of energy. While electromagnetic waves have momentum and can exert force due to their energy, they do not have a rest mass.
Perhaps this topic should be under General Free Energy Discussion , but there are a lot of topics there, so I decided to
place it here. If there are objections , I'll ask for placement under General Free Energy Discussions.
I've searched in google :
"Do Lorentz force obey newton 3 rd law"
I've found the following :
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Google Ai):
No, the Lorentz force does not directly obey Newton's third law when considering just the forces between two moving charged particles, as this leads to a violation of the law in some reference frames. This violation occurs because the electromagnetic field itself must be considered as a participant in the interaction, and forces are exerted on the field in addition to the forces on the particles. In a relativistic framework, momentum conservation is restored by accounting for the momentum stored and exchanged within the electromagnetic field, which ensures the overall system obeys the laws of physics.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1707.04198
2 Apparent Violation of the Third Law
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Lorentz forces exerted by freely moving charges upon one another are not equal and opposite because the Lorentz force does not obey Newton's third principle, contrary to the Ampère force, which follows this principle. As a result, a pair of charged particles in relative motion can change its state of motion without external help. We review past experiments that show this effect
https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.1139/p95-090
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...8598000197
These two force laws are different since the Ampère force follows Newton's third law, whereas the Lorentz force does not. It is well-known that Newton's third law can be used to classify systems as closed or opened, depending on whether a force law follows or not Newton's third law. But the two laws are not equivalent even when they are used for closed systems [28].
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Perhaps there are other examples/good articles
about the topic
Can I ask if anyone is intersted to explain in English for sure do Violation exist or Not?
I am not a scientist, I dont understant 90 percent of the texts,
so will be glad if someone explains it .
Thank you.
Attached Chat.pdf is from Microsoft Copilot (Chat GPT 5/Smart, not quick explanation)
Also if convenient :
Do you think the swing from the picture will rotate ?
https://i.imgur.com/lnjqz1w.jpeg
Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
Also question to google AI:
Do electromagnetic wave has mass
No, electromagnetic waves, such as light, radio waves, and X-rays, do not have mass because they are composed of photons, which are massless particles of energy. While electromagnetic waves have momentum and can exert force due to their energy, they do not have a rest mass.

