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Violation of Newton 3rd Law
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Hi,
Perhaps this topic should be under General Free Energy Discussion , but there are a lot of topics there, so I decided to 
place it here. If there are objections , I'll ask for placement under General Free Energy Discussions.

I've searched in google :
"Do Lorentz force obey newton 3 rd law"

I've found the following :

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(Google Ai):

 No, the Lorentz force does not directly obey Newton's third law when considering just the forces between two moving charged particles, as this leads to a violation of the law in some reference frames. This violation occurs because the electromagnetic field itself must be considered as a participant in the interaction, and forces are exerted on the field in addition to the forces on the particles. In a relativistic framework, momentum conservation is restored by accounting for the momentum stored and exchanged within the electromagnetic field, which ensures the overall system obeys the laws of physics.
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https://arxiv.org/pdf/1707.04198

2 Apparent Violation of the Third Law

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The Lorentz forces exerted by freely moving charges upon one another are not equal and opposite because the Lorentz force does not obey Newton's third principle, contrary to the Ampère force, which follows this principle. As a result, a pair of charged particles in relative motion can change its state of motion without external help. We review past experiments that show this effect

https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.1139/p95-090
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...8598000197
These two force laws are different since the Ampère force follows Newton's third law, whereas the Lorentz force does not. It is well-known that Newton's third law can be used to classify systems as closed or opened, depending on whether a force law follows or not Newton's third law. But the two laws are not equivalent even when they are used for closed systems [28].

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Perhaps there are other examples/good articles
about the topic

Can I ask if anyone is intersted to explain in English for sure do Violation exist or  Not?
I am not a scientist, I dont understant 90 percent of the texts,
so will be glad if someone explains it .

Thank you.


Attached Chat.pdf is from Microsoft Copilot (Chat GPT 5/Smart, not quick explanation)






Also if convenient :
Do you think the swing from the picture will rotate ?

https://i.imgur.com/lnjqz1w.jpeg
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Also question to google AI:

Do electromagnetic wave has mass

No, electromagnetic waves, such as light, radio waves, and X-rays, do not have mass because they are composed of photons, which are massless particles of energy. While electromagnetic waves have momentum and can exert force due to their energy, they do not have a rest mass.


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#2
This theory attempts the fix the asymmetry.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...rodynamics
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#3
So Trusting the Science is being questioned.

"the forces between two moving charged particles"
This "force" is not 'defined'. They know not what a Magnetic Force is much less an Electric Force. Yet we can program a computer to give us answers.
Electricity is the Force between two STATIONARY Particles. They forgot about this "Force".
A CHARGED PARTICLE has a North Pole Force and a South Pole Force. Opps, we need to invent a DI POLE ELECTRON said Wal Thornhill of the Electric Universe scam theories.

"This violation occurs because the electromagnetic field itself must be considered as a participant in the interaction, and forces are exerted on the field in addition to the forces on the particles."
The electromagnetic Field is NOT defined. No definition as the the Physics of this EM Field, yet we have 'laws' on it. We dont know yet we do... Dissociative Cognizance on display. "Particles" in the Atomic Structure are only Theories.


"We review past experiments that show this effect"
In actual science labs, Man only tends to believe that which he can devise an experiment to detect. This is why over unity is rejected.


THIS IS ONLY A THEORY.... "light, radio waves, and X-rays, do not have mass because they are composed of photons,"
Whereas in Field Science, Light, Radio and xrays are Wireless transmission of Vibrational Energy. And so this 'energy' must have a particle associated with it and so the PHOTON was invented. Non Existent electrons give us non existent massless photons. Someone got a Nobel prize for this.


Given there is NO definitive Physics of EM Waves...
"While electromagnetic waves have momentum and can exert force due to their energy, they do not have a rest mass." (so a battery has no mass)
So they have 'mass' when 'moving' but not at rest. Yet we still dont know what a EM WAVE actually is.
This lack of intellectual critical thinking of what the FORCE from a Battery is... means the wave has mass if its moving...

How does an Electromagnetic Wave move? What is this momentum of the EM Wave?

Since when does a Wave have "rest mass"? can someone explain an "at rest" wave?
Can anyone actually explain the Moving Mass with EM waves?

The theories explaining Energy Frequency and Vibration have spawned all kinds of nonsense.

Using Artificial Intelligence based on False theories of the Atomic Structure and what constitutes ENERGY referred to as an EM Force of 'waves' is bound to give stupid answers.

And this is how man enlightens himself nowadays with theoretical BS on Force Waves that surrounds every object in the universe. (Tesla's Greatest Discovery the Rotating Magnetic Field)

I SEE no Vibrational Physics in anything AI
I SEE no Physics of Electricity or Magnetism.
I See no POLARITY interaction of Charged Particles as apparently charged Particles are MONO POLE Charges. Where is this MONO POLE Physics explained?

Its the same with any Slit or Double Slit experiments when firing from a gun charged particles and not taking into account the barriers that make the Slits are MAGNETICALLY Part of the experiment.

Its all so tedious to explain the fallacies of modern theories that have NO MAGNETISM about any of the 'particles' or materials used in any experiment that attempts to explain WAVES.

Could this be why over unity hasnt been cracked by mainstream yet? The imbecilic nature of modern theories and how they is used to invent devices?

We have REPULSIVE Eddy currents but where is the Opposite and Equal ATTRACTIVE Eddy currents?
What are Eddy Currents? I would like to know how this Missive explains Eddy Currents if its going to use the term

IMO, anything Tesla is far superior than the 'Laws' taught by some over educated too far in the other direction professors which can only be described as Slave Physics.

Lets pickup the 'study' of Irons Electromagnetic properties without ever understanding why iron is Magnetic. It just is OK? Better yet... leave iron out of it and start at Eddy Currents and a PAIR of Charged particles but lets not identify what Charges are involved. At least pick one.

Such is the state of Artificial Programming.
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