MAGNETISM IN ITS RELATION TO INDUCED ELECTROMOTIVE FORCE AND CURRENT

[Cadman]

An article from SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN SUPPLEMENT NO. 711 by Elihu Thomson  AUGUST 17, 1889

MAGNETISM IN ITS RELATION TO INDUCED ELECTROMOTIVE FORCE AND CURRENT
https://gutenberg.org/files/16972/16972-....htm#art09

Well worth the read

[Escumo]

Very interesting and illustrative, iron is the “mana”, however, we do not know how to take advantage of it and possibly it is because we have not understood its greatness, grateful for this information. Thank you !!!

[Escumo]

The inertial issue seems to remain in the background, that is the basic theory of the inductance of a coil, but, after reading the experiences of 1889, it can be seen differently, the deformations in the magnetic tensors are where the energy is housed. , then it has nothing to do with inertia, rather, with the elasticity of said immaterial tensioners called lines of force, functioning just like in a universal motor where they are concentrated and deformed so that with each brush pass they regain their shape and thereby get the armature of said motor to move
Bone is not an inertial issue as they have made us see and learn, it is a matter of deformation of an immaterial tensor

[Mr.Tom]

As seem by iron filings dropped on a glass plate over a magnet of some shape
The iron filings seem to look like they are setting in lines of something that is attractive to the iron
What are these lines made of? that is making the iron filings stick to them
if they were moving the iron filings would move in some way but they do not move once in place. 
So what ever is making the iron filings line up in the way it does is not in motion.
much in the same way layer are in water that is not moving but allows things to float up that are lighter than water but will sit in layers once they equal density.
maybe there are no real lines on a magnetic field but the iron filings become magnetic and form lines by themselves
just not to stick to each other in line format equaling their own magnetic density.

No magnetic lines - There are more than one option to observations viewed as the one answer that may be wrong.

If you only believe what you see, and there is something else working different, you missed the real event.

Thanks Mr. Tom

[Escumo]

The question, in my view, consists of creating a magnetic vector amplified by the magnetization of iron and for this vector to move virtually in a controlled induction sinus, thus there are many systems buried in patents that have not been carried out. practice, but it is the practical way to solve static induction with energy gain. Lately we have been thinking about the possibility of modulating the inductance synchronously with the charge and discharge in a coil and determining if there is gain.
This modulation is complex, since inductance is the ability to create lines of force or tensioners or materials in a coil and be able to use them as desired, OK?

[Dr.Wlazlak]

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction:
So if something have no push from something else the second something goes nowhere
and still is no energy being produced ( still = stop = no movement = no energy )
if 2 cars are going down the freeway at the same speed, they are not moving to each other and for them they are not making energy related to each other.
but to the thing that a standing still, they are producing are producing a lot of kinetic energy
it is the relation to mass of each other changing distance in time that makes - Pop.
Pop = work = energy
But what anyone that knows the answer to unused patents that can produce output from static induction
I would like to see the device that does this.
but again I do not believe in lines of force. it does not make sense.
What happens if a positive superconductor filings are placed on a magnet ( do they show the lines of magnetic force? )
Or does this show there are not lines at all?

All fun stuff

[Escumo]

The thing about magnetic lines is very funny, obviously it is a way of speaking used by Faraday and maintained to this day, however, it is funny and makes you laugh at all times, here we talk about magnetism in its relationship with the electromotive force induced and current, an article from 1889 and if we read it we will see the use of the term, magnetic lines of force, on numerous occasions, for me it is a pleasure to have been able to understand the problem that the article highlights and the practical way to solve the form to understand what is disclosed in the article, because although everyone can see it however they want, the great thing is to contact how they saw it in 1889

[Cadman]

Hi Escumo,

Thank you for your comments. I think we both see these things in the same way.

Let’s all of us understand these passages from the article,

“... for the lines are only symbols for a condition of strain in a medium which cannot be represented in thought, as we know nothing of its real nature.”

and this one

“There is one point in this connection which I must emphasize. The strained lines, Fig. 1, are indications of stored energy in the ether, and the lines cannot disappear without giving out that energy.”

and this one

“Ordinarily, it makes its appearance as the extra current, and adds itself so as to prolong the current which extended the lines when an attempt is made to cut off such current.”

Nowadays it seems like everyone has forgotten that there is an extra current that is created during the collapse, or it is recognized, considered detrimental and destroyed. The important thing to keep in mind is it’s an extra current.

I performed an experiment that shows two extra currents can be created for one pulse from the source. The output was greater than the input.
https://www.mooker.com/showthread.php?tid=29

Cadman

[Escumo]

Good afternoon Cadman, I do believe that we have the same point of view regarding the article and the way of understanding the behavior of a coil when charging and discharging, when charging, the coil creates a current that opposes the current that feeds it, This current is called COUNTERCURRENT, of very short duration, sufficient for the supply current to pass through the coil, then when discharged, that is, when the power is cut off, the coil creates another current, this time it does not oppose the one that was feeding, and is called EXTRACURRENT, or BREAKDOWN current

[Mr.Tom]

Good some part of the day, People, Hi, I have many electrical engineering hand books and I have never seen these terms
used at any time in these books
In what electrical engineering data base are these terms from?
CounterCurrent
ExtraCurrent
BreadDown current
in fact the spelling word processor on this site did not show these terms as real words at all.
Back emf. yes that is a real term.
counter emf. yes that is a real term.
primary winding - again this is a real term.
secondary winding - wow that is also a real term.
interesting, Are you people making up new term as you go along and the actions that go with the terms you made up?

It just makes it hard to follow when you know the difference between what really happens and what is make believe.
sorry, I read the electrical engineering book I know how it ends.

In 1889 They were also guessing just as most are doing today. nothing ever changes.

That is all I would like to say about that. use the right terms that the electrical engineers use. It shows you are informed. more than just a story tellers.