Salt Water Ran Small Engine 2008

[Russ]

Tinkerer discovered new method to run an engine as spark plug electrolysis, at lowered power level. His Document ,- Postal Service protected by date conceived , talks about small engine ignition coil modified with added magnetic field to plug cable. This was putting field at tips of plug in chamber,  and extend timing required from TDC to about late 34 degrees . Hydrogen gas uses this area engine timing. An electromagnet was hooked to resistor and ground. 13 turns #16 Wires wound around steel screw core and cable. Another extension of 7t over 5t cable at 90 degrees wind also increases the disruption to ignition.  The Magnetron rated about 10kv has low .5 Peak pulse amps. (not average current) When enhanced by a field, the sparking became 20 times bigger, 10 amps pulse, at slightly lowered high voltage. This is enough passing through low ohms solution to generate fuel gases. On time was about 34% duty cycle as flywheel goes around. Wow. Could drive a one cylinder Briggs riding lawnmower around with electric start. Alternator charges battery. 12 magnets run alternator while 1 magnet runs Ignition. (Both self contained) Minor extra parts added,- resistor,  fuse, accessory in line spark gap, diodes, etc. Photo of electromagnet on Internet - S1R9A9M9 coils. - See another man's version called- Megatran. You tube video running engine sounds like a water pump.

[Russ]

The DC generator is mounted under flywheel of all Briggs riding lawn mowers engines. The 2 AC wires extend to rectification to recharge battery or provide power to extra circuit. The flywheel contains 13 permanent magnets. 12 for the generator and 1 for the ignition. No input is used to run generator or ignition other than turning crankshaft. When hydrogen gas fuel is made at spark plug , the engine starts running. The battery was used for the starter motor only, then completely shut off. Power to make electrolysis is then coming from generator at idle speed. Salt water is allowed to flow into top of carb from hose + bottle. Diodes needed to get DC to make low efficiency electrolysis of water. Fuel gas forms at tips of spark plug and fires same time. The added wire coil changes the timing ,as is needed with hydrogen. The spark plug receives what is called pulse PEAK DC current as about 10A. Spark plug was changed to Champion QC12YC at 125 ohms , rather than original 4000ohms resistance. They also come apart to remove resistor to get a Zero ohms racing plug. ( copper #12 wire segment replacement)

You can verify an old used engine would just run by adding 70% alcohol, or acetylene gas from carbide stones + water added, and also Ether spray into carb. The sound of Nathren's water engine on hydrogen sounds like a water pump. Youtube (2 )videos by S1R9A9M9

[Russ]

Is leakage Inductance Voltage Useful from 2 coils wound on same steel core? First is high volts in microamps with own circuit, 2nd is low volts with current in amps. The 2nd line needs over 100v. The first line doesn't short across, but passes normal volts in pulses down it's circuit and leaks across to 2nd line. The transfer volts was bench tested with neon lamps meter to be 100-200 volts added to the low 12v DC volts side. It may be called capacitive coupling superimposed volts. (looking for 150V +12v to push the 7 peak amps with 120 ohm load, low duty cycle on time.)

[Sandy]

Hi Russ. If you had 12V battery supply connected across the spark gap then the HV discharge from the coil would ionise the gap enough to get a huge current arc of 12V DC like a Welder. Maybe with a current limiting mechanism and interruption meschanism added, this is how to get a high amperage, short duration spark to work some magic on water in an ICE. Here is a funny video to illustrate the concept of HV ionisation of a spark gap with low voltage high current arcing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9M_OX-O9JK...Nhbg%3D%3D
Kind regards, Sandy

[Russ]

Hi Russ. If you had 12V battery supply connected across the spark gap then the HV discharge from the coil would ionise the gap enough to get a huge current arc of 12V DC like a Welder.  Maybe with a current limiting mechanism and interruption meschanism added, this is how to get a high amperage, short duration spark to work some magic on water in an ICE. Here is a funny video to illustrate the concept of HV ionisation of a spark gap with low voltage high current arcing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9M_OX-O9JK...Nhbg%3D%3D
Kind regards, Sandy

12v DC is not likely to work. The salt water at spark plug gap  PLUS the tiny electrodes, acts as an electrical load of 118 ohms resistance. (figuring the plug was zero ohms) About 130 volts DC probably required which includes group of diodes for back protection of power supply from the high voltage. 15KV protection is loss of 10 volts as voltage drop from the source power.

[Sandy]

Hi Russ. If you had 12V battery supply connected across the spark gap then the HV discharge from the coil would ionise the gap enough to get a huge current arc of 12V DC like a Welder.  Maybe with a current limiting mechanism and interruption meschanism added, this is how to get a high amperage, short duration spark to work some magic on water in an ICE. Here is a funny video to illustrate the concept of HV ionisation of a spark gap with low voltage high current arcing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9M_OX-O9JK...Nhbg%3D%3D
Kind regards, Sandy

12v DC is not likely to work. The salt water at spark plug gap  PLUS the tiny electrodes, acts as an electrical load of 118 ohms resistance. (figuring the plug was zero ohms) About 130 volts DC probably required which includes group of diodes for back protection of power supply from the high voltage. 15KV protection is loss of 10 volts as voltage drop from the source power.

Hi Russ. I think that resistance value may be questionable because spark gap is a non linear resistance. But I haven't tried it so I wouldn't know!

[Russ]

The DC generator is mounted under flywheel of all Briggs riding lawn mowers engines. On the S1R9A9M9 engine of 2008, it had what what called DUAL ALTERNATORS. The red and black wire is actually (2) separate AC alternators output. The opposite ends of the coils are grounded under the plastic ring under the flywheel. Black is AC  power, not a ground wire. The 2 AC wires extend to rectification to recharge battery or provide power to extra circuit. It is UNUSUAL to use the 2 wires at same time for same purpose, instead of headlights + charging line. The flywheel contains 13 permanent magnets. 12 for the generator and 1 for the ignition. No input is used to run generator or ignition other than turning crankshaft. When hydrogen gas fuel is made at spark plug , the engine starts running. The battery was used for the starter motor only, then completely shut off. Power to make electrolysis is then coming from generator at idle speed. Salt water is allowed to flow into top of carb from hose + bottle. Diodes needed to get DC to make low efficiency electrolysis of water. Fuel gas forms at tips of spark plug and fires same time. The added wire coil changes the timing ,as is needed with hydrogen. The spark plug receives what is called pulse PEAK DC current as about 10A. Spark plug was changed to Champion QC12YC at 125 ohms , rather than original 4000ohms resistance. They also come apart to remove resistor to get a Zero ohms racing plug. ( copper #12 wire segment replacement) Inverter box of 300-500W used with primary side of 9-10 amps DC from idling alternators. 110v DC full wave used from secondary side for firing spark plug. Peak pulse amps + average amps over the cycle time. The separate electromagnet 20 turns wire over plug wire, of 5 amps, causes extension of spark time for about 34% duty cycle. Firing Hydrogen requires late timing. Power as ABOUT 5 A + 10 A = 15 amps max from dual alternators.

You can verify an old used engine would just run by adding 70% alcohol, or acetylene gas from carbide stones + water added, or also Ether spray into carb. The sound of Nathren's water engine on hydrogen from 2008 sounds like a water pump. Youtube (2 )videos by S1R9A9M9

[Russ]

The mower ignition coil has a lower high voltage output than car engines. I was collecting data on various means to increase this. The unusual modification of upside down old style armature magneto, (not magnetron), allows for positive high volts , but at a lowered level, since they are all type called autotransformer, with 3 terminals. I noticed on the modern Harley motorcycles the ignition coil was different. I purchased one $50, and examined it. The transformer secondary side is not connected to anything. Later, I found out the Briggs dual spark plug engines have either single or dual ignition Magnetrons. I purchased samples of the one with dual cables. One side cylinder fires negative high volts, and the other fires positive high volts. This is the best method to obtain positive only high volts ignition., at highest volts.without loss. One side hooks to ground.
Back in 2008, there was a circuit on Internet called the capacitor70 circuit for several purposes. I had the idea this was incorporated in the set up of 2008 You tube videos called S1R9A9M9 to enhance the process of running mower engine on water to hydrogen and electrified water vapor pressure as polarized molecules repulsion, pushing piston. The Cap70 circuit is similar to a C.D.I with PF capacitors firing separate primary of step up FERRITE TOROID transformer to increase high volts of car/ mower engine. Ferrite can saturate and has to be designed properly. Ignition is very low current flow and low duty cycle, and core should work. This also isolates the grounds of ignition and added power supply. The circuit however allows high volts to go through the low volts full wave rectifier to get to the spark plug. Not a good idea. I suspected circuit was used in the S1R9A9M9 successful video demonstrations. 2 people indicated it worked. I am presently hooking up to try this on parts and UU ferrite core set mounted on wooden board. U cores are easier to wind, and have the same proper full contained flux path., not like open rod core.  500-1000PF , several caps in series with total voltage tolerance and ferrite core 1:3 step up windings. Resonance of L + C high frequency runs secondary side wound with #16 gauge ignition cable. Experimenters have to keep the grounds separate of the Inverter  + ignition, and battery ground. I did a lot of study research before buying parts. Minimum 24KV and pulse peak 7 amps required ,- not average amps.

[Russ]

Mower Converted Water/Hydrogen Plug electrolysis


I rebuilt another S1R9A9M9 electromagnet, as to be able to reduce input current from 4 A to 1.5A. Has to do with doubling number turns so as the magnetic field is same with 1/2 current. 39 turns now for 1.5 amp draw. Direct proportion of turns to field. Remember that we are using the power that would be associated from Briggs alternator as 1.5 + 13.5 A for max 15A capability at idle speed.

My other (same) S1R coil was put inside my NEW much larger vacuum chamber with many pin terminals , so as can have various connections for various purposes. The Briggs is factory set timing, so as the VARIED power resistor with coil allows for varying magnetic field for tests. The 60 cycle inverter box as pure sine wave will be used with push button single pulse , and then later with regular on time running of power supply. The 7A Peak pulse will be read on the ground return side to Inverter DC with VOLTS SCOPE fast reading over 1 ohm metal resistor. 7 volts read is 7 pulse amps. E / R = I .

Currently finishing up the 6" Carlon larger box and smaller 4" box. Both include the Tesla magnetic spark gap. I am assuming release of (2) radiant energies inside Vacuum box not escaping into Ambient air and following the wiring and inductors to spark plug. High V enters exact at cathode of diode in-between inductors.

I really like the heatsink/fan assembly being sold as obsolete from old style computers. The dell unit is way cheaper than purchasing separate sink + 12v fan. Hole drilled in center for mounting MOSFET pass transistor

Complete cheap modules available for preset frequency + duty cycle control. Inverter is 220 v with separate adjustable module for reducing AC to about 130v AC. Then full wave rectifier. Has 2 protections for power input inverter using 15kv diodes bank with vertical blowing fan, and no battery ground hooked to engine metal. (Starter only) I have choice of + or minus high volts at full level.

I also installed new water delivery system as upper tank with CERAMIC type TINY TYPE bubbler with DC air pump to get Nitrogen embedded water, and neodymium magnets along length of water hose to carb. (polarized water separates easier) Alum square tube holds strong magnets in place with interior tubing.

The original 60 turns coil test in Georgia was the prerequisite for the S1R coils. No photo, The circuit showed that ignition cable could be INFLUENCED by external magnetic field. The S1R coils served several purposes. Nathren just wanted a cheap method of doing it. He said the magnetic field quit only when plug fired. 2 ways - ignition pulse intercepts diode in Magic Relay shutting off low volts, and ignition volts causes interference in S1r coils other low volts side.

Vacuum boxes contain S1r coils, magnetic gap, 2 inductors and diodes. A second spark gap in series is required to keep spark plug working with water solution.

Push button for initial test of moving piston. Self-running engine requires revolving, so as there is a FAST much-lowered compression at bottom of stroke , affecting water to water vapor , then as susceptible to further influence. There is to be also polarized water vapor repelling, and increasing piston pressure.

Set up now has a different smaller Briggs 8.5 HP engine that has a starter and plastic ring changeable alternator. Just purchased cheap flywheel that has the LARGE magnets for the alternator for more current output. The use of Aluminum ring gear on steel flywheel allows for use of plastic small gear on starter. COMPLETE ELECTRICAL ISOLATION for the expensive China Inverter box.

[Russ]

Long time back I made failed sketches regarding diodes protection of the 400watt inverter that was used on cars conversions in Georgia back at that time. It BUGGED me that the system still was working after 3000 miles on chevy car. My recent clipboard drawing with erasable ink pen finally showed promise.  I knew that somewhat similar set up had to be on the Briggs engine. Here goes, — The starter position of car switch provides 12v to ignition coils. The plug gets full 12kv high voltage. When key running on position , there is a ballast resistor that puts 6volts worth of high volts to ignition coil.  Now it's 6kv firings. The Georgia schematic on the web forum Waterfuel1978 @ yahoo.com showed only 4 possible diodes  following the Inverter box. That's about 3200V protection. Two in the bridge rectifier1kv + 1KV and 2 in the circuit as 600v each.  The bridge rectifier was not shown. Remember , the technicians in shop did all the work, Nathren father was non tech person. He only looked over the shoulders, and reported work done on the web forum. As resistors add up in series to input resistance, spark gap voltages in series also add up to beginning high volts. The Chevy distributor with spinning ROTOR provides the first of 2 spark gaps. Loss of 3KV. So now, there is about 3, 200volts protection against 3000volts ignition final voltage.

The second thing going on is that the spark plug AIR gap of high resistance is way reduced , due to the water solution. Less high volts is needed to fire plug. The project viability has gotten way higher.

The main energy power supply as DC is required to be minimum 100v or higher. Some guys used Inverter 220vAC . This is because the volts input to water solution is WAY REDUCED by 10 TIMES.  220 becomes 22. 110v becomes 11volts. DC low efficiency electrolysis requires minimum 3 volts. (You can't use 12v going to 1.2volts through water solution) Current gets reduced way down , due to tiny electrodes specific area of plug tips. (Not large plates in water)

Zero ohms resistance Champion / Autolite spark plugs pass the needed DC current as 2.8A average or 7 Peak Amps on scope. The circuit resistance by OHMS LAW requires volts divided by certain resistance to get the 2.8A.  The circuit diodes reduce the 110v down, then the 10 to 1 reduction , so as the Relay resistance in series was total 1.2ohms at about 10volts DC. Close enough as 8A, to make Hydrogen gas and electrified water vapor pressure.

The system had been enhanced by the radiant energy provided inside the relay by the high volts against the diode cathode inbetween the 2 inductors. The R.E. Follows the wires to spark plug. One set double coils relay per cylinder. That's why they were called the "Magic relays".

I refer you to the old documents you read long ago about the Engineer             
Who had US Patent on the added diode circuit to regular CDI ignition booster. The main discharge capacitor has LEFT OVER volts charge after firing Primary, so as the balance 50v 1ufd cap discharges balance through microwave blocking diode to high volts side. The loud SNAP at spark plug was aided by what he called the front side Capacitor.  You can also use his Back Side Capacitor as high volts PF capacitor across the spark plug. The PF gets quick first charged by ignition, then when ignition then fires plug, the added energy makes extra snap energy , as called PLASMA SPARK.

I believe that the Briggs engine could have used the other, Tesla added circuit as ignition voltage booster, but would have needed way more diodes protection, that greatly reduced down the final needed low volts, to get the required amps.
I did recent bench tests regarding back side capacitors , liked the 20-30KV Blue ceramic capacitor as 1000PF- .01uf, - good snap noise. This design added is dangerous , and can put you on the floor. This simple method to get Plasma Spark that THEN allows the main amps to go through spark plugs. A plastic tube with insulated wire is necessary to safely discharge that capacitor before putting in the fingers.

As per my previous messages, I found out there are 3 types of Inverter boxes - square wave, modified square wave, and Pure Sine Wave types. Georgia people used the wrong one and always had uneven engines running, but they did run. Electrical loads that include 1.75mh +1.75mh, Inductors must have pure sine wave energy.

To further isolate the main Inverter box from shorting, on the Briggs engine, the return line at bottom of plug goes directly back to the Inverter terminal. The  battery neg, is not connected to engine casting. You don't want 2 grounds together, inverter secondary DC neg and battery neg.  The starter motor has the battery neg only. . The starter is electrically insulated from engine using nylon plastic bolts and washers. Lots of guys long time back had burned out their expensive Inverters with shorts. (neg to neg) Of course you can use 2 separate batteries.