(11-10-2024, 07:53 AM)unimmortal Wrote: Hey Jim, I believe I have an answer as to why you are seeing the current on the negative. But I'd need to see how you've wired it up to be sure.

What you've done is create a current sink! By only offering up half a wave to create a field, the ether is kindly adding in the missing negative bit.

I'm not quite sure if this happens at the moment of induction of the first coil or the moment of reaction by the middle coil or at counter reaction by the first coil.

Oscillating over the bloch wall is where the magic is, you're tapping ether there.

You put in a half wave and got a whole one back!

I think that's partially correct.  But there's more I haven't shown yet..  Once I present it and you digest it, it should be more clear.

With 2 coils and two 1/2 waves the same polarity 180 degrees out of phase is when the "Magical current" appears.  In this configuration, I can remove the negative feed from the stereo amplifiers and the circuit (and amplifiers) run perfectly as if there was a ground.  So the declining wave gives the Amplifiers it's ground or return wire right through the output terminals even though the wave is 1 positive polarity.  

Basically, the current from 1 channel to the next is looping..  So the induced EMF current that is generated adds to the current in the loop.

Even though I still can not attain decent output from it yet.  If you think about it,  switching polarities causes double as much Peak to Peak..  If we had a 12V source and switched polarities, we get +12 and -12, giving us a 24V swing.  But from Zero to 12 is only 1/2 as much swing, so the output suffers..  

I have something else on my bench at the moment, but I will be coming back to this I am sure,  so I will post a video of the circuit working without a ground on the amplifiers at that time..  (unless there is overwhelming desire to see it)..  

I will add,  the whole powering the amps with no ground wire only works if both amp's negative feeds are tied together, because the path needs to be complete ofcourse.

Hi Jim Mac !
You already have the configuration the virtual rotate flux from 4 coils , why don't you take advantage of this ?

(11-28-2024, 10:34 PM)OUtony Wrote: Hi Jim Mac !
You already have the configuration the virtual rotate flux from 4 coils , why don't you take advantage of this ?

Maybe.  I can certainly make proper rotation, but I remain skeptical if using multiphase will actually decouple the output from the input..  Plus I have difficulties with Self-Induction when inputting into coils.  

I will be doing some alternator experimentation to compare my virtual rotation specifics to true rotation to get a better picture

I had a new Figuera Epiphany.  A whole new outlook of the inner workings..  Which is leading me to different specs to build the device..

I am reusing my Figuera circuit, but had to re-write the logic and configure it a bit differently.  And if I am on to something, the circuit just got a lot simpler and I can expand it if needed..  But first I need Proof of Concept..

   

I am not ready to explain my twisted logic fully At this point,  but I will share the mind-frame which is leading me..

A rotating coil has a "Constant Catalyst"..  Regardless if the rotating coil is powered or not,  the Catalyst is maintained..  The Figuera setup CAN provide us a similar "Constant Catalyst".

This thought provokes a little different configuration / design strategies.  And Rids or eliminates the method of having a power source cut into the primary circuit.

We will see...

I am satisfied with the results so far..

   

As you see, the resistor rig is VERY LOW Ohms..  And the load on this test is a 1Ω resistor.  I am powering this with 1.47V only..

Using LOW OHM Coil (ie.. >0.5 Ω  coils) this waveform will have Double the flux change than seen in the image above.  

I hope it is making some sense now....  This whole Primary Circuit + Primary Coils will be CLOSED onto itself with NO Power Source cut in..  Thus establishing the "Constant Catalyst"..  

Now if I pass current from an AC supply THROUGH the OUTPUT Coil, the Output Coil's field Induces the Primary Circuit and Injects CURRENT Into The Primary Circuit..  The Primary Circuit Oscillates whatever power that is induced into it, in turn, Inducing other output coils within the string.

Here is a Buforn Sketch..  Notice how the whole primary circuit is Closed upon itself.  And no-where is the "Source Battery" being shown..  And notice the Output Wires I circled in RED..  

   

It is my contention that the Exciting current that jumpstarts the system is fed through the output wires.  This will induce a current into the Closed Primary Circuit, which works with a "Constant Catalyst".  The very current that is Induced IN, is then oscillated through Electromagnets to create Output..

Okay this is good so far..

You know how the usual Figuera output wave is always skitchety and all over the place from the resistance jumps..  The key to getting a smoother wave (like a generator)  is by keeping the resistance value real low between steps..

The higher the resistance in the resistor rig,  the more steps or contacts you need..  The resistance has to creep up in very small increments..  But if you use a low ohm resistor rig, the number of needed steps decrease accordingly.. And the wave gets smoother..

Here I am running the setup with a Figuera Triplet coil I had and powering it with a single AA battery..

   

Even without a closed core, the induced output looks somewhat decent (as opposed to the choppy mess on other setups)..  

But this is not the final setup..  This was just to test the output wave to see how smooth it is..  I may play around with the coding to get the output more rounded like a true sinewave and less triangular.

Ok, so I tried exciting the primary circuit by running AC through the output coil from a variac.  It definitely excites the primary circuit that is closed onto itself.  But the waves in the electromagnets get all messed up..

Since the Variac's phase is not synced with the Current Distributor (resistor rig) oscillations, we lose all uniformity..  And this circuit is not aligned to smooth with a cap..

So next step is to match the exciting current's phase with the Figuera circuits oscillations.  And that MAY be exactly what this part is for in Buforn's drawings

   

That is obviously an Exact timed Commutator..    i can do this with electronics on the existing rig.  So that's the next attempt

The idea of starting from the output, or closing the input as you put it, makes a lot more sense now.

(01-30-2025, 11:51 PM)unimmortal Wrote: The idea of starting from the output, or closing the input as you put it, makes a lot more sense now.

Just think about it for a moment..  In a regular transformer, loading the secondary causes more current to flow in the primary..   But what happens if the primary circuit did NOT have a battery or source inline  and was closed onto itself?   It would NOT draw more current from the supply, because the source is NOT in the circuit..  The mutual induced current would feed around the primary loop..

BUT this does NOT work in a transformer because the "Catalyst" is the Alternating Input.  Once we remove the Catalyst, we get no induction..

Now the Figuera Varying resistance  (Current Distributor) GIVES Us That Constant Catalyst!  Thus allowing us to close the Primary onto itself with no source inline..  

This means,  we need to use an EXTERNAL  Or FOERIGN Source to start it through induction..  And look what Figuera's patent says verbatim..

Quote:through which circulates a proper current, which is taken from one foreign origin into one or more electromagnets

Quote:the external current supply, this is the feeding current, is removed

I believe Figuera and Buforn go to lengths to hint that the Source is "External"  or Foreign" from the circuit.  

If we can induce current INTO the varying resistance circuit, the Catalyst (Growing / Shrinking Mechanism) remains - Even if the circuit is closed onto itself..  Which allows it to cycle and utilize the Mutual induced EMF in the primary circuit which was produced from creating output.

So tonight I spent some time wiring and writing the code for the "External Current"  so the phase matches the resistor-generated sinewave..  You can see the YELLOW is the "Foreign Current"  and the Blue is the Resistor Rig Output through a transformer..

   

So tomorrow I can try to progress

hi Jim 
thank you for your input, it evoked new ideas and new enthusiasm in me 
I would readdress commutator and resistance with a low fraction of ohms 

An outside power source is definitely required to start this generator and resistors help to create a starting magnetism after that coils take over to energize themselves.

I have finalized the material for the full assembly of 7 triplets and will try to position the cores as you did. I have never tried to position cores as per Buforn drawings.

I will try both versions 
a/ core only in primaries 
b/ core in secondary sticking into primary

     

if this symbol is interceptor in a timely fashion (on the same shaft as the commutator) then where is the connection for the outside DC  power source?