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(02-07-2024, 08:43 PM)unimmortal Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so we're roughly up to the same spot. I've got complete separation between circuits (rechargeable battery for hall sensor, 12V rechargeable for power), what do you suggest to alter coil phase? 

I'll post my full setup in my bench later today so as not to confuse people here, but here is a simple schematic I'm working from. Red is DC, Blue is AC

Yo bro...  This Sh*t does what we think, but I have a parameter wrong (or three lol) . I thought about this yesterday and consulted my AI, but I needed to verify on the bench before presenting the data..  

The CEMF always goes towards the negative of the battery the entire cycle.  It doesn't switch directions.  On both a generator and a transformer, the magnetic fields are doing what they don't want to naturally do on both sides of the polarity spectrum.  

This is my latest test a few minutes ago.  I can charge caps between the 2 positives or the 2 negatives.  Changing the phases from 90 degrees to 270 changes which one leads and which lags. 

There is a lot going on here I need to unravel. So I am not ready to offer advice on different setups as I am still grasping the overall picture and connecting the dots.  But one thing that sticks out, is I don't think it can be pulses.  Because we are crossing the grounds, it makes 1 circuit and current flow should be equal within both sides. So I "THINK" the waves need to be smooth and exactly phased right without disconnecting as both waves need to balance the current in the loop.

But we need more people working on this because the answer is here, most definitely.  If you don't mind starting a thread in your section and documenting what you find out, it would be great.  I will certainly be watching and helping where I can.
Awesome Jim. It looks like you've found a degree of equilibrium!

Yup, bench threads are up, will do some more testing tonight. I think because I'm using alternating coil sets it may still work, but you're 100% about getting the waves right.

Remembering that FWBR essentially introduces a new ground to the circuit every time you add one, I wonder if two in series will trick the flow to go back out the + leg?
Hi Jim
Very interesting so at the end the 20 volts was one battery?
Being it's voltage added to the negative of the other?
If that's the case all you should need to do is create a switch to flip back and forth and it's a done deal.
I don't know
Pretty cool
Ok, so this post is just for my clarity to look back on and to explain the basics.

First, place two 12V batteries in series with a resistor, and the resistor gets 24V.  All Normal.


Next, place another resistor between the other terminal connections, now each resistor gets 12V.  All normal.  First resistor drops the voltage of the circuit by 12V.  All makes sense.


Now if we replace the resistors with transformers and use components to power the transformers with AC at exact phases, the CEMF harvesting comes into play..

This image excludes the AC circuitry for simplicity. The voltage measurement is measuring the voltage on the DC battery terminals feeding each transformer circuit.


Now changing the phase to 270 degrees reverses the voltage numbers on the batteries.

So as you can see, the 12V battery on top is reading 20V, so positive reciprocal induction voltage is coming out of the bottom transformer primary and is series summing with the battery feeding the top transformer.  

These battery voltages are now steady. Scope shows no oscillations or waves in them. FLAT DC.  

So the results thus far are interesting and telling, suggesting the Reciprocal induction can be used in our favor.  But I am scratching my head still.

These amplifiers are not the best apparently.  They are not exactly "linear" and they keep shutting down.
Quick Update..

The machine sustains with 1 battery and each H-bridge only getting 1 feed from the battery..

H-bridge #1 only gets a positive from the battery..
H-bridge #2 only gets a negative from the battery.

The other 2 leads of the H-bridge can stay un-hooked..

Both H-bridges work like this and utilize the mirrored phase ground of the opposite bridge through the load.

With transformers, I can get 1 H-bridge up to 20V from a 12V battery, and the other H-bridge somewhere about 9V.

Getting 20V to the input of an H-bridge using one 12V battery is very suggestive that my "Summing Voltages" may be working!
Hard to deny my "Voltage Summing" is taking place

A video of you just explaining what the components do might make it easier to understand what's taking place.
Do they feed AC or DC just flipping polarity?
Is that why it's a square wave on the scope?
Instead of just shorting the output what happens if you connect a load using one wire from one transformer and one wire from the other that is split the output of the two transformers.
And last but not least the battery connections  Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
(02-09-2024, 10:22 PM)Jim Mac Wrote: [ -> ]Hard to deny my "Voltage Summing" is taking place
I'm glad you didn't pull the battery wire!
Definitely put up the single battery demo...
I had a thought... what if you introduce a quartz crystal in the form of a piezo electric to act as an isolated timing between the floating grounds?
Here is a short vid of the Looper lighting a 12V incandescent auto bulb.

2 phases 90 degrees square waves.  But the input drops at higher frequencies along with the output.

I been thinking about this again as I think I was getting close.  I was using 2 phases 90 degrees apart.  But that doesn't complete the 360 degree loop.  2x 90 degrees completes 180

I need to set this up with 4 phases of 90 degrees each to complete the full loop.  So that each declining wave's CEMF feeds the next Growing wave Full Circle, ever repeating. 

When we use only 2 phase at 90, The first declining wave indeed helps the next growing which is what I was seeing in my setup.  But when the second wave declined, the first was growing on the opposite polarity, so we cancelled out the gain.  

I tried last night with H-bridges in series but hit problems getting them to function in series.  But I have another method that may be easier, so I will be updating when I get some time to play
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