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Many think a Resonant system must use the resonant frequency of the inductor.  But that is not the only way it can be used.  The works of Tesla hit on resonance often, but not in the way many think.

The system does NOT need to be operating on the resonant frequency of the coil to be in "resonance".  The question is,  what is the coil in resonance with if not the coil itself?

What is misunderstood is that a circuit can have 1 half in a resonant state with another half.  Where 1 side is calling for energy while the other is sending energy.  

In the conventional understanding of physics, two sine waves 90 degrees out of phase are not considered to be in resonance. Resonance typically refers to the condition where two waveforms oscillate at the same frequency, leading to a significant amplification of the resultant wave.

However, when we delve deeper into the ideas expressed in the documents of Tesla, Marinov, and Meyl, a broader perspective on resonance emerges. According to these pioneers, resonance is not confined merely to the synchronization of frequencies, but it is a far more encompassing phenomenon that involves matching of certain conditions, including frequency, phase, and position.

In this light, the phase difference becomes a crucial aspect of achieving resonance. Two sine waves 90 degrees out of phase may not exhibit resonance in the conventional sense, but they can demonstrate a form of resonance when viewed from the perspective of vector resonance or quadrature. Here, the energy transfer occurs in a rotating or spiral motion, rather than linearly, as in the case of scalar resonance.

Tesla’s work with rotating magnetic fields illustrates this concept. He showed that by using two alternating currents 90 degrees out of phase, a rotating magnetic field could be produced. This rotation is essentially a form of resonance, where the energy is transferred efficiently in a cyclical path due to the phase difference.

I wanted to open this topic up because what I am working on is a form of resonance.  This topic is not a build log, so feel free to share your ideas, thoughts, objections, and examples.

(12-29-2023, 08:08 PM)Jim Mac Wrote: [ -> ]Many think a Resonant system must use the resonant frequency of the inductor.  But that is not the only way it can be used.  The works of Tesla hit on resonance often, but not in the way many think.

In this light, the phase difference becomes a crucial aspect of achieving resonance. Two sine waves 90 degrees out of phase may not exhibit resonance in the conventional sense, but they can demonstrate a form of resonance when viewed from the perspective of vector resonance or quadrature. Here, the energy transfer occurs in a rotating or spiral motion, rather than linearly, as in the case of scalar resonance.

By using two alternating currents 90 degrees out of phase, a rotating magnetic field could be produced. This rotation is essentially a form of resonance, where the energy is transferred efficiently in a cyclical path due to the phase difference.

I wanted to open this topic up because what I am working on is a form of resonance.

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Dollard, Four-Phase

Cool schematics..  Looks like a good book you linked..

Tesla centered much of his work around Polyphase as you shown.  

Now it makes sense why the Electric Companies only provide us with "Destructive" Phases..  And all the mathematics and Electrical Laws they teach us are all rooted in "Destructive Forces"..  

They will never give us phases that harmonize..  (Constructive Phases)..   Because Constructive phases are needed to create a system that is in resonance with itself.

Hi Jim, I am not sure if my comment will be useful as I am quite new to building over-unity devices, or any electronic devices for that matter.

I see you mention that three phases are destructive. I think I know what you mean as I read many of your posts. Three phases will probably not be useful in trying to achieve over-unity, but it was pretty great solution to a problem they had at the time which was transferring energy at great distances. The voltage in a three-phase system is 120 offset and together it produces 0V DC (ideally), DC is what causes the biggest losses when transferring energy over great distances. 0V DC also means that one wire out of 4 (3 phases + ground) almost doesn't carry any current, that is a shitload of wire that doesn't have to be used. There is no reason to think that three phases would be good for over-unity devices as they were a solution for energy transfer problem, not energy generating one.

I read some of the older patents by Tesla, Figuera and some early books on solenoids and it is sometimes difficult to tell if they are really describing something new, or something that has been superseded (or it would be inconvenient to use or adopt now) or if a different terminology has been used later. Because sometimes it seems to me like they are describing in their own words something that we would say differently now and that leads to different understanding. I found reading older literature extremely difficult.

I like to work with a definition of resonance as a state of maximum energy transfer. I was reading through some literature from William Alek, who claims to be working on over-unity devices for over 20 years and he mentions that the state of resonance in a system with a primary coil (connected to the input) and secondary coil (connected to the output) is in a state (frequency) where the current flowing through the primary coil is at its minimum. In other words, with voltage remaining same, I am looking for a frequency that can support the load with the least amount of current (and therefore power). There are some slides to see here.

Hope any of that helps.

(12-31-2023, 09:09 AM)kloakez Wrote: [ -> ] There is no reason to think that three phases would be good for over-unity devices as they were a solution for energy transfer problem, not energy generating one.

 I found reading older literature extremely difficult.

I like to work with a definition of resonance as a state of maximum energy transfer. I was reading through some literature from William Alek, who claims to be working on over-unity devices for over 20 years and he mentions that the state of resonance in a system with a primary coil (connected to the input) and secondary coil (connected to the output) is in a state (frequency) where the current flowing through the primary coil is at its minimum. In other words, with voltage remaining same, I am looking for a frequency that can support the load with the least amount of current (and therefore power). 

Hola!

3 phase has it's uses.  I suppose it just depends on the goal..  And yes, old understandings have changed immensely.  

I found an easy way to find the "resonance" you are looking for.  Simply download a frequency app and put your phone near a coil.  Watch the coil's voltage and increase the frequency on the phone app till you reach voltage peak.  Phone speakers have a magnetic field in the inductors.

Avoid the commentary in this video, as it is not the sound causing it but the magnetic field of the phone.

Happy new year everyone !

I have been tempted to post few times earlier but I wasn't able to explain clear what i think I know … not sure if I am now better, but I will give it a go. So feel free to ask for more specific where you need if you need.

I am not sure I can grasp the resonance term in the video above, even if I can admit there is some resonance proved by electricity generation.
My guess is sound waves resonate at certain frequency with vibrations of copper coil. I know is quite difficult to admit that a solid matter like copper coil vibrate all time like everything else in universe.

I have experimented with few things lately, studied many documents and I draw some conclusions/observations for myself and willing to share my findings.

But first let’s speak about resonance. So, we can visualise a string musical instrument like a guitar, where we have usually 5 strings of different thickness with a certain tension in each one, but they all resonate when they are tuned even if each one plays a different tone in harmony. This is the well known resonant harmonics which we seek in our electric generators.

Why vibrations generate electricity in certain circumstances ? What are those circumstances ? Well, that’s a long story but all necessary explanations are here https://overunitymachines.com/index.php/...cseen.html … also, explanations and applications can be found in Arie DeGeus patents, where explicit use of aether are given.
Also, no relativist theory have ever produced any device, but all of them have been proved in applications and theories where Einstein is proved wrong.

Now, let’s go back to vibrations of solid matter. We all know (i hope) what is galvanic cell so, if we take 2 dissimilar metals and immerse them in electrolyte we can collect electricity at their ends outside the water if they don’t touch each other. Nice and easy, but it may not be enough to power a washing machine. I know, you want to ask about resonance and vibrations … and what is the link of galvanic reaction and resonance ? Hmmm, what is a galvanic reaction and how it takes place we should ask ourselves (obviously I am going to ignore all what mainstream science teach us).
So, can we generate electricity from 2 dissimilar metals without galvanic reaction ? Please note that I am speaking about generating electricity, not storing it ! The answer is yes, we can. So, we take a wire of copper and one of aluminium, immerse them in a glass of water and we get 0,5 volts and few milliamps. I know you would say there is some galvanic reaction as both copper and aluminium interact with water (potable water from tap). ?
Well, what if we use 2 wires of the same metal ? Do we still have galvanic reaction ? Can we generate electricity ? Yes, we can. I have just done it few minutes ago.
But we have to exploit resistance gradient (this is what I think). So, I had an off cut of 0.75 multi strand copper wire handy about 10 cm long, stripped of pvc insulation, take 3 strand out of bunch, twist each bunch and make 2 coils with 2 cm diameter and respective 0.5 cm the thicker one. immerse both coils in a plastic tube filled with tap water and I got 0.55 mV … don’t know how many milliamps as my cheap multimeter won’t show anything.

Now, if we asume that everything vibrate all the time, means that everything bear electric charge and if electric charge is present, magnetic field is present as well as electric and magnetic field as they are, are always together in the same medium (aether). So, you don’t have to trust my words, just do similar experiments, where you can place in close proximity 2 dis/similar materials not necessarily metals in a water recipient to see for yourself. It seems that geometry will have an influence for output and coiled metals works better. Also i need to mention that 2 coils in water will have a greater output if they are wound cw and ccw … like spirals of DNA.

Now, back on resonance. Resonance is the method of amplification, everything that is in harmony is constructive while non harmonic resonance is destructive. Everything resonate with everything in harmony or not.

Everything in what we do is manipulate electric/magnetic field and imagine this is just a extremely small part of knowledge as we didn’t start with other mechanisms that nature provides. But we can’t reach out there without raising our conscience awareness.

If you don’t agree with my findings, just ignore my madness.

Also magnetic field can stop vibrations, 2 magnets facing with nord pole on diameter “galvanic” cell as above will make generation of electricity to stop and I had to throw away the water and refill to make it work again … which raise even more questions about water properties, electricity and magnetism and how they resonate their conjugated forces.

Many people speak about resonance without taking in account or just ignoring harmonics. Any over unity system is based on resonant harmonics not just resonance. It isn’t difficult to obtain a resonant circuit if you are able to tune it, but obtaining resonant harmonics from few different frequency is a very laborious process.

From my understanding of this phenomena harmonics occur when two or more wave are superimposed having their peak amplitude in the same place in the same time. They occur in every resonant circuit !

The real art is to collect energy flowing in circuit in the exact point where harmonics occur, this can be easier done by calculate the length of wire and use 1/2 of wave length corresponding to frequency of pulse or multiple of 1/2. Using rotary switch or electronic switch will do the same job, but with kinetic switch we are constrained to physical capabilities more than electronic switches, not to mention that high frequency will cost probably more in terms of energy spending if liquid metal (mercury) is not used in normal conditions like room temperature.
So, there is two ways (as far as I know) to create harmonics (conjugated forces): 1. reflected waves (shorting a coil, or, unterminated end - not connected) 2. Introducing additional waves (which may come from reactance-bemf or another suppling circuit/source). See example from above with string musical instrument for easy visualise.

Another aspect that i want to mention from my findings which personally I consider to be utmost important is the matter and its structure. And here I am speaking about conductive and non conductive materials. This is a completely out of chart art ignored and even denied by mainstream science at least in what they allow in public domain.
So, an conductor is an electric field captor and there we have all time electric energy stored in this type of matter, they are completely charged all time, if you want to squeeze energy out of them you have to use magnetic field pressure moving aether that keep content the energy trapped in a matter. They have the potential (voltage) but not the flow (displacement volume). Seebeck or Peltier effect is the perfect example.
In the same way a non conductor have all time magnetic charge captured and stored in them.

I think that’s enough now. Even if someone think I am wrong ar just mad, have a think and consider this theory to prove me wrong.

Anyways, as a practise, if anyone trying to build an overunity device would step back and think where all this occur in their intended device might get a better understanding of what they are building and see if they will work as they wish.
If you miss the collection point of harmonics you miss the gain. The more waves take part in harmonics the higher is the gain. Imagine a gate assault of a gate where many soldiers knock on the gate using small hammers everyone with their on timing (frequency) not in resonance or all of them hitting in the same time … or many of them using a single ram in the weak spot.
Resonance without harmonics isn’t something very useful, the gain is small and may not overcome the losses associated with the disturbance we need to create.

To be explored ground loops and standing waves in electric circuits as a cheap source of disturbance.

Also bear in mind that electrons do not travel anywhere, they are signal repeaters … unless there is a transmutation, so, unless we aim to transmute copper in silver (just an example) electrons stays in the same place and facilitate transmission. We are not going to have less mass of copper wire by just connecting a battery to an incandescent bulb or motor.

Polyphonic's a lecture by Eric Dollard gives some insight to the term Resonace. What was the Subtance that Tesla was oscillating to cause the amplification effect in his Magnifying Transmitter ? He went to great lengths to reduce the magnetic componet of his impulse frequency. So now I ask was he using series resonance or parallel? A power factor of 1 is unity.

The resonance of any normally wound coil is going to be very high in freq.  The internal capacitance of the coil is sooo tiny, that the resonant freq is pretty weak also..  Say 100 turns of 26awg on a paper towel tube and we pulse it with 100v. Pulse..  The capacitance of each turn in relation to the next turn is tiny and will only have 1v in that capacitance, adding up to 100v across the coil. Those individual capacitances end up in series to one another, thereby 'decreasing' the total capacitance of the coil itself, in relation to the 100v pulse...

Now a bifilar coil has a significant effect on the coils internal capacitance. 100 turns series bifilar with a 100v pulse will have 50v charge difference between each adjacent turn of wire.  That is a huge difference in capacity of the coil in reference to the charge field between all adjacent turns, thus increasing the capacity tremendously and lowering the resonant freq of the coil, with a longer lasting ringdown.

We can also add capacitance(capacitors) to the coil to get it to ring lower and stronger than a normal wound coil.

Tesla said that building the capacitance in the coil (bifilar) produced a capacitance that was very accurate and electrically stable compared to caps of that time.

The resonance of a normal coil alone is not normally an issue unless the surrounding circuitry could be affected by it or vise verse.

Mags

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"Also bear in mind that electrons do not travel anywhere, they are signal repeaters … unless there is a transmutation, so, unless we aim to transmute copper in silver (just an example) electrons stays in the same place and facilitate transmission. We are not going to have less mass of copper wire by just connecting a battery to an incandescent bulb or motor. "

So you dont believe that when we charge a cap or battery, that we are taking electrons from the positive of the cap and pumping them into the negative side of the cap? If we have 2 air tanks at normal atmospheric pressure, and we connect them together via an air pump and suck some of the air from tank A to tank B, then was there any movement of air molecules moved from one tank to another??

In an old crt tube, is it not electrons that form a cloud around the 'electron gun' heating elements, that are attracted to the front of the crt metal screen that is charged positively at very high voltage??

Mags