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(05-24-2023, 09:50 PM)Jim Mac Wrote: [ -> ]Lasco, please tell me more about AC to DC and the Phases.

On some patents, Buforn shows some unexplained commutator connecting to the brush.  Is this the AC to DC converter he used?

Can you expand on this?

Yes you must convert AC from secondaries to DC and feed it back to primaries via (G) and resistors
To have output in phase with input easier for me was to make small leaver that I adjusted phase accordingly to best performance these two commutator brushes are on the same shaft 
One brush pick up DC from AC and it is immediately connected with second brush rotating on G
(05-24-2023, 09:50 PM)Jim Mac Wrote: [ -> ]Lasco, please tell me more about AC to DC and the Phases.

On some patents, Buforn shows some unexplained commutator connecting to the brush.  Is this the AC to DC converter he used?

Can you expand on this?

(05-25-2023, 03:22 AM)Lasco Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2023, 09:50 PM)Jim Mac Wrote: [ -> ]Lasco, please tell me more about AC to DC and the Phases.

On some patents, Buforn shows some unexplained commutator connecting to the brush.  Is this the AC to DC converter he used?

Can you expand on this?

I made a small mistake with the AC side.
For those following- I have spoken to Escumo and wish to pass his info to all.  

The summary of his findings is that the Buforn and Clemente Figuera patent only show the top view of the coil setup and we need to think 3 dimensionally to see the real setup.  Perhaps there was more than 1 drawing which did not make it through time-  but we only have the top view which takes some imagination to put together.

I made a video of a 3d model comparing it to the patents here:

 

I will be testing this concept and posting in another thread, as this section is only for discussions.  Real Builds should be in their own threads so they can easily be followed.
Hay qué puntualizar qué la vista presentada en la figura de la patente 44267 es un alzado de un seccionamiento a nivel de la confluencia de los 3 núcleos de hierro en la parte superior del triplete y wue el espacio existente entre ellos representa el entrehierro superior entre inductores y inducido existiendo otros dos otros dos, entrehierros, en la parte inferior, esto es de suma importancia para aplicar la dinámica de flujos magnéticos creados por los inductores y el inducido
(05-26-2023, 02:22 AM)Escumo Wrote: [ -> ]Hay qué puntualizar qué la vista presentada en la figura de la patente 44267 es un alzado de un seccionamiento a nivel de la confluencia de los 3 núcleos de hierro en la parte superior del triplete y wue el espacio existente entre ellos representa el entrehierro superior entre inductores y inducido existiendo otros dos otros dos, entrehierros, en la parte inferior, esto es de suma importancia para aplicar la dinámica de flujos magnéticos creados por los inductores y el inducido

For clarity, is this attached core design correct per your view?

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(05-26-2023, 07:49 AM)jim mac Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-26-2023, 02:22 AM)escumo Wrote: [ -> ]Hay qué puntualizar qué la vista presentada en la figura de la patente 44267 es un elevado de un seccionamiento a nivel de la confluencia de los 3 núcleos de hierro en la parte superior del triplete y wue el espacio existente entre ellos representa el entrehierro superior entre inductores e inducido existiendo otros dos otros dos, entrehierros, en la parte inferior, esto es de suma importancia para aplicar la dinámica de flujos magnéticos creados por los inductores y el inducido

Para mayor claridad, ¿es este diseño central adjunto correcto según su punto de vista?

No del todo, faltan dos entrehierros más, es un sistema con 4 entrehierros o resistencias magnéticas, reluctancias, para provocar que cada flujo de los inductores N y S se acoplen con el producido en el inducido ( central ) al poner carga en él, se crea otro campo magnético, según Lenz, el cual se acopla, en el sistema Figuera, al electroimán o inductor en fase de contracción provocando una autoinducción en cada medio ciclo, es decir, cada 1/2 ciclo el inductor en expansión pasa a ser el de contracción en el 1/2 ciclo siguiente y así sucesivamente, creando un sistema autoexcitado, como nos dice Figuera en su patente 
Okay..

I am still building the coils and cores to test..  I will be posting my build under a new topic in the "Build Log" section.

I want to try to keep the forums somewhat organized and keep this section for discussion and documentation.  Then have the actual builds separate so the threads don't get cluttered making it hard to find past info.
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(05-26-2023, 07:49 AM)jim mac Wrote: [ -> ][quote="escumo" pid="47" dateline="1685082151"]
Hay qué puntualizar qué la vista presentada en la figura de la patente 44267 es un elevado de un seccionamiento a nivel de la confluencia de los 3 núcleos de hierro en la parte superior del triplete y wue el espacio existente entre ellos representa el entrehierro superior entre inductores e inducido existiendo otros dos otros dos, entrehierros, en la parte inferior, esto es de suma importancia para aplicar la dinámica de flujos magnéticos creados por los inductores y el inducido

Para mayor claridad, ¿es este diseño central adjunto correcto según su punto de vista?

No del todo, faltan dos entrehierros más, es un sistema con 4 entrehierros o resistencias magnéticas, reluctancias, para provocar que cada flujo de los inductores N y S se acoplen con el producido en el inducido (central) al poner carga en él, se crea otro campo magnético, según Lenz, el cual se acopla, en el sistema Figuera, al electroimán o inductor en fase de contracción provocando una autoinducción en cada medio ciclo, es decir, cada 1/2 ciclo el inductor en expansión pasa a ser el de contracción en el 1/2 ciclo siguiente y así sucesivamente, creando un sistema autoexcitado, como nos dice Figuera en su patente 
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Static coupling of magnetic fluxes in a Figuera triplet:
Obviously, if the patent is studied, we are dealing with static induction, which is different from dynamic induction, then we must accept a series of keys to understand the coupling process,
1 If an N pole increases its intensity, the magnetic field is expanding
2 If an N pole decreases its intensity, the magnetic field is contracting
The induced coil with charge at its electrical terminals will respond as follows:
In case 1, it will respond with an N
In case 2, it will respond with an Y
This behavior means that, at all times and as long as the induced coil is charged, the magnetic forces originated in the Figuera system are of a repulsive nature, at no time are there attractive forces to overcome, determining a coupling, Lenz's law acts, but in a different way than normal, due to the geometric arrangement of the nuclei in the Figuera triplet and as they say in the patents, Lenz's law does not work, it is not like that, if it does, but otherwise, it has a way alternative, which it uses automatically due to the non-existence of attractive forces to overcome. In the system, the electromagnets N and S work at the same time, in unison, and every 1/2 cycle they exchange their function, expansion and contraction, and in opposite directions.

(05-26-2023, 01:13 PM)Escumo Wrote: [ -> ]Static coupling of magnetic fluxes in a Figuera triplet:
Obviously, if the patent is studied, we are dealing with static induction, which is different from dynamic induction, then we must accept a series of keys to understand the coupling process,
1 If an N pole increases its intensity, the magnetic field is expanding
2 If an N pole decreases its intensity, the magnetic field is contracting
The induced coil with charge at its electrical terminals will respond as follows:
In case 1, it will respond with an N
In case 2, it will respond with an Y
This behavior means that, at all times and as long as the induced coil is charged, the magnetic forces originated in the Figuera system are of a repulsive nature, at no time are there attractive forces to overcome, determining a coupling, Lenz's law acts, but in a different way than normal, due to the geometric arrangement of the nuclei in the Figuera triplet and as they say in the patents, Lenz's law does not work, it is not like that, if it does, but otherwise, it has a way alternative, which it uses automatically due to the non-existence of attractive forces to overcome. In the system, the electromagnets N and S work at the same time, in unison, and every 1/2 cycle they exchange their function, expansion and contraction, and in opposite directions.

Además, hay que considerar el material Ferromagnético que estemos usando en los electroimanes, ya deja claro, que debe ser hierro dulce, con otros materiales se podrá conseguir efectos más o menos eficaces, pero, debemos usar hierro dulce no otros.
This won't be popular but, . . .
When trying to replicate these old patents, one must consider the time period. This tells us the forms of the devices used and the specifics. Drawing of electrical devices have changed over the years. One must also consider that certain symbols do not represent then what they do today.

The most common mistakes I see with the Clemente Figuera patent is this. He switched resistors to affect the generator coils. Nope. He used the low voltage from a battery. Nope. The patent reconstruction shows the wiring used for a commutator and his coils. Nope. It is incorrect.

Resistors of that time were inductive in nature. Wire wound. “He powered the lights in his home and a 20HP motor.” DC, not AC. His system output was 550v. He ran a dynamo with the 20HP motor. If you wish to replicate the Figuera system, you must consider ALL the parts to his system. The inductive load of the motor and its function in the conversion of power received. The motor’s pulses to the system. The resistive load of the lights and their ability to convert negative energy of collapsing magnetic fields to positive energy the motor may have used. His use of inductors to control the collapsing fields. What? Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images. His use of atmospheric electricity to keep the batteries charged. Where are the leyden jars?

There are many parts outside the patent reconstruction that is never considered when developing a replication of his system. All of it matters.
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