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I found a way to make unlimited AC phases.  I'll be posting more about that soon..  For now- I need to log this data on phase peak voltages.  

8 Phase

Phase 1 (0°): 10.000000 V
Phase 2 (45°): 7.071068 V
Phase 3 (90°): 0.000000 V
Phase 4 (135°): −7.071068 V
Phase 5 (180°): −10.000000 V
Phase 6 (225°): −7.071068 V
Phase 7 (270°): 0.000000 V
Phase 8 (315°): 7.071068 V

16 Phase

Phase 1 (0°): 10.000000000 V
Phase 2 (22.5°): 9.238795325 V
Phase 3 (45°): 7.071067812 V
Phase 4 (67.5°): 3.826834324 V
Phase 5 (90°): 0.000000000 V
Phase 6 (112.5°): −3.826834324 V
Phase 7 (135°): −7.071067812 V
Phase 8 (157.5°): −9.238795325 V
Phase 9 (180°): −10.000000000 V
Phase 10 (202.5°): −9.238795325 V
Phase 11 (225°): −7.071067812 V
Phase 12 (247.5°): −3.826834324 V
Phase 13 (270°): 0.000000000 V
Phase 14 (292.5°): 3.826834324 V
Phase 15 (315°): 7.071067812 V
Phase 16 (337.5°): 9.238795325 V

24 Phase

Phase 1 (0°): 10.000000000 V
Phase 2 (15°): 9.659258263 V
Phase 3 (30°): 8.660254038 V
Phase 4 (45°): 7.071067812 V
Phase 5 (60°): 5.000000000 V
Phase 6 (75°): 2.588190452 V
Phase 7 (90°): 0.000000000 V
Phase 8 (105°): −2.588190452 V
Phase 9 (120°): −5.000000000 V
Phase 10 (135°): −7.071067812 V
Phase 11 (150°): −8.660254038 V
Phase 12 (165°): −9.659258263 V
Phase 13 (180°): −10.000000000 V
Phase 14 (195°): −9.659258263 V
Phase 15 (210°): −8.660254038 V
Phase 16 (225°): −7.071067812 V
Phase 17 (240°): −5.000000000 V
Phase 18 (255°): −2.588190452 V
Phase 19 (270°): 0.000000000 V
Phase 20 (285°): 2.588190452 V
Phase 21 (300°): 5.000000000 V
Phase 22 (315°): 7.071067812 V
Phase 23 (330°): 8.660254038 V
Phase 24 (345°): 9.659258263 

32 Phase

Phase 1 (0.00°): 10.000000000 V
Phase 2 (11.25°): 9.807852804 V
Phase 3 (22.50°): 9.238795325 V
Phase 4 (33.75°): 8.314696123 V
Phase 5 (45.00°): 7.071067812 V
Phase 6 (56.25°): 5.555702330 V
Phase 7 (67.50°): 3.826834324 V
Phase 8 (78.75°): 1.950903220 V
Phase 9 (90.00°): 0.000000000 V
Phase 10 (101.25°): -1.950903220 V
Phase 11 (112.50°): -3.826834324 V
Phase 12 (123.75°): -5.555702330 V
Phase 13 (135.00°): -7.071067812 V
Phase 14 (146.25°): -8.314696123 V
Phase 15 (157.50°): -9.238795325 V
Phase 16 (168.75°): -9.807852804 V
Phase 17 (180.00°): -10.000000000 V
Phase 18 (191.25°): -9.807852804 V
Phase 19 (202.50°): -9.238795325 V
Phase 20 (213.75°): -8.314696123 V
Phase 21 (225.00°): -7.071067812 V
Phase 22 (236.25°): -5.555702330 V
Phase 23 (247.50°): -3.826834324 V
Phase 24 (258.75°): -1.950903220 V
Phase 25 (270.00°): 0.000000000 V
Phase 26 (281.25°): 1.950903220 V
Phase 27 (292.50°): 3.826834324 V
Phase 28 (303.75°): 5.555702330 V
Phase 29 (315.00°): 7.071067812 V
Phase 30 (326.25°): 8.314696123 V
Phase 31 (337.50°): 9.238795325 V
Phase 32 (348.75°): 9.807852804 V

40 Phase

Phase 1 (0.00°): 10.000000000 V
Phase 2 (9.00°): 9.876883406 V
Phase 3 (18.00°): 9.510565163 V
Phase 4 (27.00°): 8.910065242 V
Phase 5 (36.00°): 8.090169944 V
Phase 6 (45.00°): 7.071067812 V
Phase 7 (54.00°): 5.877852523 V
Phase 8 (63.00°): 4.539904997 V
Phase 9 (72.00°): 3.090169944 V
Phase 10 (81.00°): 1.564344650 V
Phase 11 (90.00°): 0.000000000 V
Phase 12 (99.00°): -1.564344650 V
Phase 13 (108.00°): -3.090169944 V
Phase 14 (117.00°): -4.539904997 V
Phase 15 (126.00°): -5.877852523 V
Phase 16 (135.00°): -7.071067812 V
Phase 17 (144.00°): -8.090169944 V
Phase 18 (153.00°): -8.910065242 V
Phase 19 (162.00°): -9.510565163 V
Phase 20 (171.00°): -9.876883406 V
Phase 21 (180.00°): -10.000000000 V
Phase 22 (189.00°): -9.876883406 V
Phase 23 (198.00°): -9.510565163 V
Phase 24 (207.00°): -8.910065242 V
Phase 25 (216.00°): -8.090169944 V
Phase 26 (225.00°): -7.071067812 V
Phase 27 (234.00°): -5.877852523 V
Phase 28 (243.00°): -4.539904997 V
Phase 29 (252.00°): -3.090169944 V
Phase 30 (261.00°): -1.564344650 V
Phase 31 (270.00°): 0.000000000 V
Phase 32 (279.00°): 1.564344650 V
Phase 33 (288.00°): 3.090169944 V
Phase 34 (297.00°): 4.539904997 V
Phase 35 (306.00°): 5.877852523 V
Phase 36 (315.00°): 7.071067812 V
Phase 37 (324.00°): 8.090169944 V
Phase 38 (333.00°): 8.910065242 V
Phase 39 (342.00°): 9.510565163 V
Phase 40 (351.00°): 9.876883406 V
Promising Test Completed.

I reviewed the Robert Alexander Patent (  Robert Alexander Patent  ) , which I have yet to see anyone replicate except 1 person who didn't wind an output coil but tried tapping the primary phase as output, which obviously failed. The patent breaks down to-  The output coil is sandwiched between TWO rotating fields that are shifted 90 degrees from each other.  

My hypothesis is,  One rotating phase acts like the rotor rotation 1/2 the AC wave while the other takes the place of Lenz Drag then they switch roles the other half cycle.

So I built a sloppy incomplete model with only 1 output coil (wasting 3/4 of the possible output).  Just to see the effects.

[attachment=1939]

And BAM!  That output coil produced up to 1.3 Amps shorted!  About TRIPLE the current than the input.  And the output Increases with RPM Increase.  I measured efficiency from 60Hz, 160Hz, 260Hz, 460Hz, and 1460Hz. The output continually gets More and More (Voltage and current) with RPM increase, and the input decreases with each step.  

I won't know the full effects till I build this out complete and a little better.  But this looks promising
(09-12-2025, 06:58 AM)Jim Mac Wrote: [ -> ]Promising Test Completed.

I reviewed the Robert Alexander Patent (  Robert Alexander Patent  ) , which I have yet to see anyone replicate except 1 person who didn't wind an output coil but tried tapping the primary phase as output, which obviously failed. The patent breaks down to-  The output coil is sandwiched between TWO rotating fields that are shifted 90 degrees from each other.  

My hypothesis is,  One rotating phase acts like the rotor rotation 1/2 the AC wave while the other takes the place of Lenz Drag then they switch roles the other half cycle.

So I built a sloppy incomplete model with only 1 output coil (wasting 3/4 of the possible output).  Just to see the effects.



And BAM!  That output coil produced up to 1.3 Amps shorted!  About TRIPLE the current than the input.  And the output Increases with RPM Increase.  I measured efficiency from 60Hz, 160Hz, 260Hz, 460Hz, and 1460Hz. The output continually gets More and More (Voltage and current) with RPM increase, and the input decreases with each step.  

I won't know the full effects till I build this out complete and a little better.  But this looks promising

Wow!! That's encouraging results. I'm looking forward to what happens with your complete build and testing.
Thanks for sharing that.
Thanks Truesearch.  I make a quick sketch to show more up close.

[attachment=1941]

Green is Phase 1.  Yellow is Phase 2 (90 degrees shifted).  Black is output coils.

Winding direction dictates which way it rotates, and the inner and outer primaries must be connected in the right way to line up with the leading / lagging coils of the inner rotation.  

NOT sure this is the ideal way to do it, NOR do I have any output numbers or claims yet.  But this is how I am proceeding now

[attachment=1942]
here is the re-build details.

I took a piece of 3/4" solid steel rod and cut / welded the cross.

[attachment=1943]

Printed center-coil guides, glued in place, and wrapped the inside coils each with 200 turns of 26 AWG.  I staggered the turns to try to keep it even-  For instance, 25 turns on coil 1, 25 turns on coil 2, 25 more on 1, 25 more on 2, etc.  

[attachment=1944]

Printed 4 Double bobbins..  Wound the outside most coil 200 turns of 26 AWG (matching the center turns).  Then wound the larger output coils with 400 Turns of 24AWG each coil.

[attachment=1945]

The turn ratios and wire sizes are all guesses as of now.  But each phase should be roughly 6Ω of wire resistance, which sounds like a good start.  

So we have 6 total primary coils at 200 turns each= 1200 turns.  Then we have 4 output coils at 400 turns each= 1600 turns with thicker wire.  

So now I am ready to test.  We'll see tonight sometime I think
Always roadblocks!  

I have been trying to test, as soon as I get things right, the class D amplifiers shut down!

I have a hunch the amplifiers can't take much reactive power, and it opposes current from being drawn to keep the amplifier alive.
Hi Jim. This was posted by someone knowledgeable at another platform regarding reactive power and amplifiers. Don't know if it's useful but might help.

"During experiments with the UDT I used a class-D amplifier as generator. This resulted in bus pumping where energy entering the output of the amplifier goes back into the power bus capacitors. The amplifier was half-bridge type which has this problem of bus pumping when dealing with reactive power. A full-bridge amplifier can be modulated as three level PWM. This allows a current path not charging up the power supply bus. The half-bridge topology needs an extra switch to ground and proper switch control to be able to do that. There are multilevel topologies to deal even better with reactive power."

Kind regards, Sandy.
(09-13-2025, 04:36 PM)Sandy Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Jim. This was posted by someone knowledgeable at another platform regarding reactive power and amplifiers. Don't know if it's useful but might help.

"During experiments with the UDT I used a class-D amplifier as generator. This resulted in bus pumping where energy entering the output of the amplifier goes back into the power bus capacitors. The amplifier was half-bridge type which has this problem of bus pumping when dealing with reactive power. A full-bridge amplifier can be modulated as three level PWM. This allows a current path not charging up the power supply bus. The half-bridge topology needs an extra switch to ground and proper switch control to be able to do that. There are multilevel topologies to deal even better with reactive power."

Kind regards, Sandy.

I agree Sandy.  "Bus Pumping" sounds exactly like what needs to happen but amplifiers do not like it.  The idea of sending it to ground horrifies me (LOL).  I would think the mechanism that is producing the waves needs a clear path for reactive current to do it's thing, without tripping the source's protection circuits or going to ground.

The method and way the source produces power (and handles reactive power) is absolutely crucial.
I have tried to make a 2 phase generator shifted by 90 a few times.  Most attempts were not quite right, and the one that had a good output wave was very jangly.  So I am trying again.

I stripped down a 36 slot alternator stator. Printed some winding organization structure supports and secured it all.

[attachment=1946]

The winding is started.  This takes a while to do by hand.  Luckily I have some help..

[attachment=1947]

I am approaching 40 turns around the 18 pole stator,  looks like the slops will hold just under 50 turns per phase. But remember, that's 50X18, so the turn count is actually pretty good.

As you may see, I am doing 18 pole serpentine winding skipping every other slot.  Once the first phase is done, I will repeat with another serpentine winding in the other slots, which is ready for 2 phase output.

The rotor will need 18 magnets..
(09-12-2025, 06:58 AM)Jim Mac Wrote: [ -> ]The output coil is sandwiched between TWO rotating fields that are shifted 90 degrees from each other.  

My hypothesis is,  One rotating phase acts like the rotor rotation 1/2 the AC wave while the other takes the place of Lenz Drag then they switch roles the other half cycle.

So I built a sloppy incomplete model with only 1 output coil (wasting 3/4 of the possible output).  Just to see the effects.

And BAM!  That output coil produced up to 1.3 Amps shorted! 

Taking a good look at the first 'cross', you've clearly got both windings right on the output coil - so that output coil is definitely sensing both directions (growing/shrinking) on one end.

Keen to see how that differs from your second 'cross', and if you see the same amount of gains.
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